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You think things can't get worse, then you're proven wrong...

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Hang on, that can't be real, can it mikec?? I'm stuck in DisbelieveMode....

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http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno ... .html#poll

Are there any public figures more deserving of being hated, humiliated then finally ousted than Conroy?

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He's No 1 on the list.

I was having a discussion today with someone, we are all in disbelieve mode. We can't understand why he is pushing ahead with this bullshit.
It is a political loser. Even the parents whose kids are supposedly being protected are 70% against it.

It was quietly implemented in NZ a week or so ago, although they are targeting primarily child-porn and not other refused-classification sites (they say). I've looked at how it works on a technical level and it is fundamentally flawed. It will only stop a small fraction of material and is unbelievably easy for a blocked site to get ahead of the filter and become available again.
It is so far a voluntary system for the tier 1 ISP's, although the majority of big ones will be implementing it, or have already.

NOTE - how the system will work here is Oz has not yet been addressed I don't believe. Sadly I may actually be involved in that, if it becomes law.

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mikec wrote:
NOTE - how the system will work here is Oz has not yet been addressed I don't believe. Sadly I may actually be involved in that, if it becomes law.

It will be good to have a man on the inside :wink:

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The NZ filter is not mandatory for all ISP's. From what I read, only a handful of service providers are offering a filtered internet connection.


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The NZ filter is not mandatory for all ISP's. From what I read, only a handful of service providers are offering a filtered internet connection.

Yes but the handful represent a big portion of the top tier, everyone else feeds through them.

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Post Re: Nocleanfeed.com (Important) - Internet Censorship discussion
Sir Humphrey Appleby on the internet filter
by Darryl Adams

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To understand the situation that we find ourselves in regarding the internet filter, we need to refer to the great political textbook of our age: Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister.

That great icon of the public service, Sir Humphrey Appleby GCB, KBE, MVO, MA (Oxon), once described what he called ‘the Politicians’ Syllogism’.

* Step One: We must do something.
* Step Two: This is something.
* Step Three: Therefore we must do this.

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Logically, this akin to other equally famous syllogisms, such as:

* Step One: All cats have four legs.
* Step Two: My dog has four legs.
* Step Three: Therefore my dog is a cat.

“The Politicians’ Syllogism has been responsible for many of the disasters that befell the United Kingdom in the twentieth century, including the Munich Agreement and the Suez Adventure,” said Appleby (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 130-1).

In the realm of internet filtering, we can see the Politician’s Syllogism quite plainly: Internet is full of naughty. A filter can stop naughty. Therefore we must filter the internet.

Now the issue here is that people who know the internet know that a filter is unworkable. However, this is based on the assumption that knowledgeable internet people are the target audience. This is of course incorrect. The audience is made up of a group of people who

1. Are afraid of the internet and/or
2. are afraid of the porn and other nasties on the internet and/or
3. believe the government should do something about porn and other nasties.

So the filter is a brilliant policy in that regard. It is low cost to the government, it shows people that the government is doing something, and allows a loud segment of the community (the “somebody think of the kiddies” lobby) to cheer loudly for the government. So how do we the internet community change policy?

To quote Sir Humphrey again: “‘Controversial’ only means ‘this will lose you votes’. ‘Courageous’ means ‘this will lose you the election’.” (The Complete Yes Minister, p. 142).

At the moment, the filter is controversial, and the Government probably believes that the votes lost with the internet savvy voters is offset by the gain in the votes from the “think of the kiddies” lobby. The internet net community needs to show otherwise. This may be very hard, with the media full of “dangers on the internet” stories, and a large segment of the electorate ignorant of how the internet works.

So, how do we make the filter look courageous? By playing the political game.

1. Write a letter to your local member. One letter does not scare a sitting member, however 100 or 1000 letters will. Especially for members in a swinging electorate, where 100 votes may mean the difference of 3 more years in parliament or getting a real job.

2. If you’re a member of a political party, raise the issue at your local branch. A sitting member is only as secure as the support of his/her local branch. If you can get a sizable percentage of the local branch to support the issue, the member will be hard-pressed to ignore the view.

3. Money. Money is the lubrication that keeps the political parties moving. It also allows your views to get public airing in the mainstream media. An example of a successful media process was the ACTU Workchoices campaign. However, I need to point out that having a political party sympathetic to the union view helped enormously. With ISPs and net users being the ones paying for the filter, they need to put up money to get its voice heard over the “think of the kiddies” lobby and the government.

4. Profile. The internet community needs to show it has sizable support. Twitter rage is all well and good, except that politicians do not, as a rule, see Twitter as a useful tool. The community needs to use the forums that politicians use, like local and regional newspapers and radio. Public rallies may work; however, they have to be set up to get the best profile in the news media.

5. Support the people who “get it”. Look at the problems Barack Obama had getting healthcare reform through Congress, despite having the majority in both houses. This does not happen here, as there is a large element of keeping to the party line in regard to policy. However, there will be tech-savvy people in all political parties and caucuses who realise that the filter is unworkable.

Don’t insult them or denigrate them, work with them by giving them data and assistance. These tech-savvy members are a great resource, and have better access to ministers than we the public can ever hope to gain. Give them the ammo to kill the filter!

6. Organise! The internet community has one advantage that many interest and lobby groups did not have previously: A rich and flexible tool to communicate, called the internet. While groups like the EFA and GetUp can take a leadership role, the netizens can organise themselves to act coherently and with a strong focus towards the goal of changing bad policy.

7. Focus on the balance of power. The government needs crossbench support to pass legislation. Nick Xenophon and the Greens are the most likely people to be swayed to block the filter (unfortunately, Stephen Fielding is one of the loudest supporters of the filter). Give them support, either money of assistance, or even a supporting letter. Show the crossbench they can gain votes in blocking the filter!

Can we change the filter policy? I honestly don’t know. However, history has shown that as the censor for Australia, the Federal Government is not well equipped to getting censorship right. So we may fail, but failing is better than not trying at all.

*Macquarie Dictionary defines Syllogism as: syllogism noun 1. Logic an argument with two premises and a conclusion. Both the premises of a categorical syllogism, are categorical propositions, containing just three distinct terms between them, e.g. all men are mortal (major premise), Socrates is a man (minor premise), therefore Socrates is mortal (conclusion); at least one premise in a hypothetical syllogism, is a hypothetical proposition, e.g. if Smith is eligible to vote he is a citizen (major premise), Smith is eligible to vote (minor premise), therefore Smith is a citizen (conclusion); at least one premise in a disjunctive syllogism, is a disjunctive proposition, e.g. either Smith is out of town or he is ill (major premise), Smith is not ill (minor premise), therefore he is out of town (conclusion).

2. deductive reasoning. [Latin syllogismus, from Greek syllogismós; replacing Middle English silogime, from French]

Darryl Adams is a government worker and internet tragic. A former IT worker, he still pines for the days of IBM keyboards that go CRUNCH and the glow of green screens. He can be found on on Twitter or on Facebook. The views expressed here do not reflect the views of his employer, the ATO.

http://delimiter.com.au/2010/04/09/sir-humphrey-appleby-on-the-internet-filter/

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Post Re: Nocleanfeed.com (Important) - Internet Censorship discussion
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"In 2008-09, the average cost to ACMA of investigating an item of online content that was not referred to the Classification Board was approximately $173 per item. For items that were referred to the Classification Board this was $685 per item, which included the cost of the ACMA preparing and administering the referrals," ACMA said.

If I wanted to stymie the filter, I'd just keep bombarding ACMA's online complaint form with questionable URLs. If lots of people did this — and we know there are lots of people who feel strongly about the filter — it would only be a matter of time before the costs blew out to completely unmanageable levels.


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Post Re: Nocleanfeed.com (Important) - Internet Censorship discussion
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/austral ... 5859630452


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Rudd retreats on web filter legislation Nicola Berkovic From: The Australian April 29, 2010 12:00AM


KEVIN Rudd has put another election promise on the backburner with his controversial internet filtering legislation set to be shelved until after the next election.
A spokeswoman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said yesterday the legislation would not be introduced next month's or the June sittings of parliament.

With parliament not sitting again until the last week of August, the laws are unlikely to be passed before the election.

Labor promised before the last election it would force internet service providers to block access to illegal content such as child pornography and X-rated images.

But the US government, Google and free speech advocates have said any efforts to censor the internet would slow download speeds, stop the free flow of information and be ineffective.

Senator Conroy's spokeswoman said the government was not deterred by this criticism.

The government was still consulting with internet service providers and considering public submissions; once that process was complete, it would introduce the legislation into parliament, the spokeswoman said.

Australian Christian Lobby managing director Jim Wallace was disappointed.

"The minister has done an excellent job on this . . . and I would like to see it legislated because it was an election promise," he said.

Opposition communications spokesman Tony Smith said Senator Conroy should come clean on when he would release the legislation.

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Buckets wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/rudd-retreats-on-passing-web-filter-legislation/story-e6frgakx-1225859630452


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But the US government, Google and free speech advocates have said any efforts to censor the internet would slow download speeds, stop the free flow of information and be ineffective.

Senator Conroy's spokeswoman said the government was not deterred by this criticism.

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Australian Christian Lobby managing director Jim Wallace was disappointed.

"The minister has done an excellent job on this . . . and I would like to see it legislated because it was an election promise," he said.

Quoted without comment.

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Yep, that's the one that stood out for me

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Australian Christian Lobby managing director Jim Wallace was disappointed.

Someone must be doing something right.

But the reality is the govt has just chicken-shitted out of justifying this piece of tripe prior to an election.
Once the election is over they will bring it back, hoping that by the time the next election comes around after that, people will have forgotten / it won't be a big media story anymore.

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In good news, I heard Atcocksuckingkinson has resigned as attorney general, so we may have a shot at getting an R18 rating for games.

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Stephen Conroy you lying piece of shit, please back up this claim with some evidence:

Conroy wrote:
this policy has been approved by 85 per cent of Australian internet service providers, who have said they would welcome the filter, including Telstra, Optus, iPrimus and iinet.


NONE of those ISP's have said any such thing. They have all said the filter is unworkable. What they have said is that if they were required by law to apply the filter, then they would. Big difference between saying you'll adhere to a law, and actually welcoming that law.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/filter-goes-ahead-regardless-20100529-wmg7.html

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Post Re: Nocleanfeed.com (Important) - Internet Censorship discussion
It's pretty obvious from Rudd's statements last night that the ALP is is in major damage control , the backlash against their internet censorship policy is probably the least of their concerns at the moment so I'm not surprised that we aren't hearing much publicly on the topic.
Conroy is already offering "concerned parents" an alternative, via the mooted, "panic button....one move fixes all" for distressed kids who encounter something they don't want to see on the internet.
They've already gotten away with enough backflips on major policy for the average voter to barely notice a watering down of minor policies.
I don't think you guys have much to worry about in the short term, but stay vigilant anyway.


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